Nikon B500 Turn the Camera Off and Then on Again
pejoy • Forum Member • Posts: 66
When to turn off image stabilization?
I've been taking shots of the moon with my AF-P 70-300 VR on a tripod and i've read that I should turn off the VR for better results. Why is that?
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GlennW • Senior Member • Posts: 2,337
Re: When to turn off image stabilization?
pejoy wrote:
I've been taking shots of the moon with my AF-P 70-300 VR on a tripod and i've read that I should turn off the VR for better results. Why is that?
VR in the Nikon world is designed to cut hand shake. Over the years, you get 1 more stop per generation of VR. With the AF-P 70-300, the VR should be good for 4-5 stops.
When mounted on a tripod, there is no hand shake. THe VR program may still be looking for it & make some adjustments to keep the image steady.
With the Nikon VR system in the lens, you should see the results by turning VR on or off to see steady image in viewfinder or on the rear screen.
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pejoy wrote:
I've been taking shots of the moon with my AF-P 70-300 VR on a tripod and i've read that I should turn off the VR for better results. Why is that?
Leave your VR turned on and never turn it off. In my opinion it makes no difference.
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rumple • Senior Member • Posts: 1,880
Re: When to turn off image stabilization?
pejoy wrote:
I've been taking shots of the moon with my AF-P 70-300 VR on a tripod and i've read that I should turn off the VR for better results. Why is that?
All your answers here:
http://www.dslrbodies.com/lenses/lens-articles/lens-technique/all-about-nikon-vr.html
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embie • Veteran Member • Posts: 3,389
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Thom Hogan says .......
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http://www.dslrbodies.com/lenses/lens-articles/lens-technique/all-about-nikon-vr.html
Although I might take issue with Mr. Hogan's claim that you can identify professional photographers by whether they have VR on or off I would think there might be better criteria
Personally, I generally forget to turn it off and haven't noticed any difference. However, my standards are pretty low
A good policy I suspect is to make some tests and examine your results at 100% and decide based on your own results.
Mirvin • Regular Member • Posts: 101
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pejoy wrote:
I've been taking shots of the moon with my AF-P 70-300 VR on a tripod and i've read that I should turn off the VR for better results. Why is that?
Just as they say "shoot the moon" both ways see if one if soft. Slightly different situation but involves VR just the same. When I'm shooting my 600/f4, or 400/f28 and notice that my images are a little soft the first thing I do is check to see that I have the VR turned off. Below maybe 1/1200 of a second VR is ok, but above that and the images start getting soft. Thats on a gimbal without being tightened down. I haven't noticed that on my 300 f2.8, or 70-200 f2.8. It just depends.....Check it out and see.
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Re: When to turn off image stabilization?
rumple wrote:
pejoy wrote:
I've been taking shots of the moon with my AF-P 70-300 VR on a tripod and i've read that I should turn off the VR for better results. Why is that?
All your answers here:
http://www.dslrbodies.com/lenses/lens-articles/lens-technique/all-about-nikon-vr.html
My question is does anyone have an A-B comparison that shows a difference with VR on and off? The article doesn't seem and answer this question.
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Re: Why not read the instructions on using VR that came with the lens?
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Why not read the instructions on using VR that came with the lens?
The Nikon guidance varies with the lens type.
If your lens does not have tripod mode VR (clarified in the lens instructions) the guidance will be to turn VR off using a firm tripod.
If a current lens has tripod mode VR the guidance will be that tripod mode VR can improve sharpness depending on the tripod and shooting conditions - with the provision that with a very good tripod in ideal shooting conditions VR off may be even sharper.
Although VR has negligible camera shake benefit faster than 1/500, having it on at fast shutter speeds can help AF accuracy with a subject that is difficult to precisely follow in the viewfinder.
With IBIS the only Nikon information I have located is that Nikon IBIS has up to 5 stops improvement with the 24-70 S at 70mm.
Digressing slightly I disagree to some extent with Thom Hogans views on using VR. Nikon seems to disagree too.
New question - why does it take 10 amateur photographers to take a picture?
Answer - one to press the shutter and another 9 to tell him/her what was done wrong
You will get many opinions on Nikon VR ranging from never use it to always use it.
I have been using Nikon VR for over 18 years, more recently on several VR lenses. Currently I have 11 VR lenses.
My experience is the guidance which comes with the lens is a good starting point.
Beyond this, as with matrix v spot metering, my advice is do some test shots to find out what works best for you in which shooting conditions.
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Re: Why not read the instructions on using VR that came with the lens?
Leonard Shepherd wrote:
Why not read the instructions on using VR that came with the lens?
The Nikon guidance varies with the lens type.
If your lens does not have tripod mode VR (clarified in the lens instructions) the guidance will be to turn VR off using a firm tripod.
If a current lens has tripod mode VR the guidance will be that tripod mode VR can improve sharpness depending on the tripod and shooting conditions - with the provision that with a very good tripod in ideal shooting conditions VR off may be even sharper.
Although VR has negligible camera shake benefit faster than 1/500, having it on at fast shutter speeds can help AF accuracy with a subject that is difficult to precisely follow in the viewfinder.
With IBIS the only Nikon information I have located is that Nikon IBIS has up to 5 stops improvement with the 24-70 S at 70mm.
Digressing slightly I disagree to some extent with Thom Hogans views on using VR. Nikon seems to disagree too.
New question - why does it take 10 amateur photographers to take a picture?
Answer - one to press the shutter and another 9 to tell him/her what was done wrong
You will get many opinions on Nikon VR ranging from never use it to always use it.
I have been using Nikon VR for over 18 years, more recently on several VR lenses. Currently I have 11 VR lenses.
My experience is the guidance which comes with the lens is a good starting point.
Beyond this, as with matrix v spot metering, my advice is do some test shots to find out what works best for you in which shooting conditions.
Excellent Leonard, read the instruction for the lens. On a tripod for me its almost always off.
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Janoch • Veteran Member • Posts: 4,696
Re: When to turn off image stabilization?
BillyBobSenna wrote:
pejoy wrote:
I've been taking shots of the moon with my AF-P 70-300 VR on a tripod and i've read that I should turn off the VR for better results. Why is that?
Leave your VR turned on and never turn it off. In my opinion it makes no difference.
Funny as I was about to suggest leave VR turned off and keep it there!
Never been a fan, but then again, I only have one lens with VR (turned off)...
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Re: Why not read the instructions on using VR that came with the lens?
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larrywilson wrote:
On a tripod for me its almost always off.
On a tripod with a big lens in strong side winds or on soft ground I usually do both if there is time and the lens has tripod mode VR.
Now I have a tripod with 5 inch spikes rarely need VR on soft ground.
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bjn70 • Veteran Member • Posts: 4,540
Re: When to turn off image stabilization?
I wonder if this is hit or miss, maybe depending on circumstances or on which individual lens it is.
I took some night tripod shots of the local skyline with D810 and 70-200 f4, and forgot to turn off VR. Most of the shots were sharp but a few were not. I was using mirror up, exposure delay and electronic front curtain shutter, but activating with my finger instead of a remote so I assumed the occasional vibration was my fault, or because there were occasional wind gusts. (It was a bother because I was shooting strings of images to stitch into a pano- one image with vibration ruins the entire string.)
Jimusny • Senior Member • Posts: 2,102
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pejoy wrote:
I've been taking shots of the moon with my AF-P 70-300 VR on a tripod and i've read that I should turn off the VR for better results. Why is that?
I think its more complicated tan just saying one thing or another.. if your shooting on a tripod and the camera is rock solid then no need for VR,
I also think it depends on the lens.. I leave VR on my 300PF and always in sports mode whether I am shooting stills or moving subjects and it seems to work well even at high shutter speeds. My 200-500 I think does better with VR off on high shutter speeds on moving subjects.. so all you can do is experiment.. can always delete images. so just take a bunch and pick out the best ones. easy enough to do on a target like the moon, and also experiment in other types of shooting then you will know how to use it on other subjects, set it the way you seem to get the best shots
If I am shooting on a tripod at the moon and using the release button by hand even that little bit of touching the camera causes movement, with a remote or timer not so much as long as your tripod is solid, a big lens can be affected by wind even on a tripod.. so again Just take a bunch of shots both ways no matter how you shoot and see what gives you better results, and try to remember how it does in different situations.. some people are steadier than others.. Me I am pretty shaky, and the heavier the lens the worse I am LOL
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Re: When to turn off image stabilization?
Jimusny wrote:
I think its more complicated tan just saying one thing or another..
I would see more complex than complicated.
This applies to almost all photography.
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BillyBobSenna wrote:
rumple wrote:
pejoy wrote:
I've been taking shots of the moon with my AF-P 70-300 VR on a tripod and i've read that I should turn off the VR for better results. Why is that?
All your answers here:
http://www.dslrbodies.com/lenses/lens-articles/lens-technique/all-about-nikon-vr.html
My question is does anyone have an A-B comparison that shows a difference with VR on and off? The article doesn't seem and answer this question.
I've never seen any difference. I've shot with it on and off during the same session and couldn't see a difference . I don't shoot on tripod ever so no comparison there. If anybody ever says "pros do this and pros do that and you can tell an amateur by......etc etc" I immediately discount what they are saying.
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It depends on YOUR standards
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I recently read a very scientific review where that exact thing was tested. Is their a difference? yes. Will you ever see it? Probably not unless extreme detail is necessary.
The tester compared using a lp/mm chart. And yes, maximum resolution occurred with tripod, VR off, mirror up, and time delay of 5 seconds, and hands off the tripod. Will you see this small difference? Probably not unless you print VERY large.
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calson • Forum Pro • Posts: 10,717
Re: It depends on YOUR standards
The newer super telephoto prime lenses have a tripod VR setting so the mechanism adjusts for that use. Nikon has stated that VR is for use with shutter speeds slower than 1/500s but this is more a rule of thumb. If I am using a 600mm lens with the D500 or D850 I know I need VR whenever possible.
The caveat is that VR slows down autofocus considerably. The lens VR does a lock and then it allows the camera to adjust focus and there a delay. For subjects that are moving this makes for missed shots.
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Re: It depends on YOUR standards
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calson wrote:
The newer super telephoto prime lenses have a tripod VR setting so the mechanism adjusts for that use. Nikon has stated that VR is for use with shutter speeds slower than 1/500s but this is more a rule of thumb. If I am using a 600mm lens with the D500 or D850 I know I need VR whenever possible.
The caveat is that VR slows down autofocus considerably. The lens VR does a lock and then it allows the camera to adjust focus and there a delay.
That can easily be overcome by activating VR a half-second or so before acquiring the subject.
For subjects that are moving this makes for missed shots.
I can't recall missing a shot because I had VR turned on.
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Re: It depends on YOUR standards
calson wrote:
The caveat is that VR slows down autofocus considerably.
First - not necessarily.
If you are watching what is going on and have first pressure on the shutter there is no delay.
Some recent VR lenses take advantage of the latest technology with near instantaneous start up of VR when first pressure is not initially on the shutter.
5 of the VR lenses I own do not "hold back" AF speed when activated.
I agree 3 VR lenses I own each a decade or more old can slow up AF acquisition a little - though definitely not "considerably".
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